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Contents:
Steve Arndt - Carbon Dragon and Microlift
Mike Couts -  Monarch vs Carbon Dragon
Steve Arndt - Building, modifying and flying the CD
Redsell - Exploiting fun in microlift in open cockpit

   Steve Arndt on the Carbon Dragon and Microlift
   Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:30:08 -0500
   From: "Steve Arndt" <hanglyderREMOVE@mediaone.net>
   Subject: Re: issues

Well put, Mike.
      Perhaps a few additional thoughts. .. there are many reasons for what
type of soaring may appeal to one and not the other.  For me, a real big
part of the fun is flying something I built myself.  My little glider [a Carbon Dragon]
is my own creation I dearly love every aerial experience we share together.
     Regarding microlift ... which type of aircraft is best?  Depends on the
air you're working.  Any high performance glider can do well in light lift
that is large enough to accommodate their large circling radius and is high
enough to afford the safety margin required to recover from a stall/spin
incident.  To explore and USE lift that is close to the terrain you need a
low sink rate and a very maneuverable aircraft that has docile stall entry
and very rapid recovery.  Then you need to become very familiar with its
handling and flight capabilities.  Familiar enough that you can proficiently
hunt out, follow and extract as much lift as possible from stuff you used to
regard as annoying turbulence on final.  I've used this low level lift
before in hang gliders and some days it works but that's because the lift
being thrown is stronger than the hang glider sink rate.  More often what
you'd get is extended flight down low.  With the circling sink rate of the
Magic Dragon, I can slowly climb and/or hold position and wait for a
stronger cycle and instead of sinking slowly to landing.
     Ideally, what you need is the maneuverability, friendly stall
characteristics, and low inertia, slow speed, short field landing attributes
of a hang glider with half the circling sink rate and twice the glide. ... and
then you have to get real good at flying it.

Steve Arndt
        http://www.sailplanehomebuilders.com/steve_arndt_cd.htm     Images on SHA website
        http://www.sailplanehomebuilders.com/arndt_news_posting.htm     Building, modifying and flying the CD
        http://www.isd.net/sadkins/builders.htm  List of flying Carbon Dragons,  page down for Arndt

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Mike Couts on the Monarch vs Carbon Dragon
From: Mike Couts <ndfspeedRemove@gte.net>
To: <Ultralight_Soaring@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ultralight_Soaring] issues

 Hi All,
       As a big fan of light soaring I want to toss a few ideas into the ring
 for thought. Is the Monarch  a better glider than the Carbon Dragon?
 Is a Buick a better car than an  Oldsmobile? If I want to
 enjoy a country drive on a warm summer evening I'll pick a convertible
 with  the top down. If I travel  the interstate, Ill take a Cadillac, roll the
 windows up and use the cruise  control.
     If I go 2000 MI.. on vacation for two weeks with my wife, I'll use a Dodge
 Caravan, not a Corvette.   If I want to enjoy some soaring after a day at
 my 8 to 5, I'll fly a  Monarch, not a Grob 102.
       The point is fun. The point is no single sailplane can be a do-all
 fit-all. I find the open cockpit  glider a big help in working light lift.
 It allows me to be more closely in  touch with the environment
 that I'm operating in. The extra visibility allows me to enjoy things I
 would miss from an enclosed  cockpit. If I give up a bit of performance
 to be out in the open, so be it.   If I feel a need for blasting
 all over the sky at 100 kts, I'll go get the 102 out and fly it instead.
       I probably don't have the same desires as the mainstream of the
 soaring  community, but I don't  really care. I want to have fun and
 enjoyment with my flying, that's why I  do it. That's why we all do it.
       And no, I will not get into a big long drawn out discussion about min
 sink, speed polars, design A Vs design B. It's all relative. That Corvette
 will out corner the  Caravan  but, it will not hold enough  suitcases to
 keep my wife happy on the road for even one week.
         I will not make any comments about the Carbon Dragon, I haven't
 flown one yet. Maybe I'll  get that chance this August in Marion. I do
 have a hundred or so flights in  the Monarch F and G.   I know what this
 design can do and I like it. It fills a much needed spot in  my soaring fun.
       And yes, I live in Marion, Ohio, and feel very lucky to be here, the
 home  of Marske Flying Wings.   And yes, my opinions are no doubt biased,
 but I feel I'm very fortunate to  have experienced light soaring, something
 that many will never get the chance to do. Most are too hung up with
 that blasting around  at 100 kts mentality to slow down and enjoy the ride.

                Mike Couts

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Exploiting fun in microlift in open cockpit
   Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:53:12 -3
   From: "Marske Flying Wings" <marske@continuo.com>
Subject: Re: issues

Dennis, ... [in response to a letter not reprinted here]

I note that you have not had the opportunity to fly in a monarch or
Carbon Dragon.... using second hand information is not always a
good idea. When you get in to microlift.... you really have to define
performance... and it will be a very personal thing. The Monarch
with its seemingly low performance l/d actually surprises all of us
with its ability to stay up on even a very overcast day... but the real
thrill is the sensual side... the smells, the air temperature
difference and the perfect vision with great visibility. I have no fears
of landing almost anywhere... and 17,000 ft just does not interest
me... I've been there and everything looks flat... and damn its cold!
At 1,500 ft the whole world is fantastic.. I can see everything,,, hear
it and even smell the thermals.

Light wing loading ,  performance and controlability are issues yet
to be seriously discussed and experienced..... and then throw in
the cost....

I invite you to come to Marion [Ohio] to try the Monarch. It will really
surprise you!

These are my personal opinions after surveying and participating in
all kinds of soaring.... the challenge of microlift is not just in the
learning the piloting skills but also making the glider that will give
me the enjoyment I cherish. Yes, after making three Monarchs,
and flying hundreds of flights I still have a long way to go....
microlift is a lot more challenging than any form of soaring I have
encountered and will require specialized gliders that have been built
on empirical study... this will take years of development... and as
for the current shape of gliders.... I do know that in Microlift they
will not work as well as new designs... especially noteworthy is the
type of flying wing the Jim Marske has developed.

-mat
 

Mat Redsell, CFIG
Marske Flying Wings
3007 Harding Highway East, Marion OH 43302.
ph 740 223-3550
email: MarskeREMOVE@continuo.com
Marske Flying Wing Web Page:
http://www.continuo.com/marske

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